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    Post by Dead_Inside Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:03 pm

    This is to talk about various MMO's that you play and love. Its for any MMO or discussion about them.

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    In my opinion just from trying Warhammer online i like WoW better. I have quit wow for the past week playing Warhammer online. I have compared different aspects of the game and have decided WoW being a better game. Just personal opinion from playing the two games. I knew WoW for longer than i knew Warhammer. The game Warcraft had grew to me and is thus going to be better game to me.
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    Post by Elge Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:59 pm

    Zeon-Darksol wrote:This is to talk about various MMO's that you play and love. Its for any MMO or discussion about them.

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    In my opinion just from trying Warhammer online i like WoW better. I have quit wow for the past week playing Warhammer online. I have compared different aspects of the game and have decided WoW being a better game. Just personal opinion from playing the two games. I knew WoW for longer than i knew Warhammer. The game Warcraft had grew to me and is thus going to be better game to me.

    I'd like specific reasons, if you don't mind. How much of WAR did you play? Rank 3? If you approach something initially without any intention of liking it, you will not like it. Plain and simple.
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    Post by Dead_Inside Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:01 am

    Elge wrote:
    Zeon-Darksol wrote:This is to talk about various MMO's that you play and love. Its for any MMO or discussion about them.

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    In my opinion just from trying Warhammer online i like WoW better. I have quit wow for the past week playing Warhammer online. I have compared different aspects of the game and have decided WoW being a better game. Just personal opinion from playing the two games. I knew WoW for longer than i knew Warhammer. The game Warcraft had grew to me and is thus going to be better game to me.

    I'd like specific reasons, if you don't mind. How much of WAR did you play? Rank 3? If you approach something initially without any intention of liking it, you will not like it. Plain and simple.
    Then I guess ill never like it. I can never see myself getting into the game.
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    Post by Elge Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:11 am

    I guess that's where the problem lies, then. Accepting anything Blizzard force-feeds its player base without asking questions, content with rehashed content after rehashed content, with new flavors of the same recipe every time.

    WoW is as basic as an MMO can get. It just has that one thing that attracts 10 million plus subscribers to it - accessibility. The casual player enjoys WoW and will defend it to the death based on either a bandwagon consensus, or simply because it's probably the first MMO they've played.

    When anything comes along and attempts to be different, it's neglected and/or called a "WoW clone," simply because it was made after WoW, and again without any proper knowledge about both games or anything else.

    Warhammer is a very PVP-centric game. The entire concept was built around Mythic's creation known as "Realm versus Realm," which they pioneered in Dark Age of Camelot long before WoW was thought of. Warhammer, if anything, copies more from Camelot than it does from WoW. If you had play the game you could easily see that, and you'd never have said it looked like WoW.

    But, despite it focusing mostly on PVP, it has PLENTY (see: just as much) PVE (player versus ENVIRONMENT) content in the game. Normal, average quests; PVE dungeons; the same boring grind that WoW is famous for; and the ingenious, unique addition of Public Quests.

    So I find it extremely hard for ANYONE to say that Warhammer does not have enough of this or that because it has enough of it all. There is no justification in unwillingly preferring one game over the other SIMPLY because you played it first. That's such a cop-out. If that's the type of attitude with which you approach all games, then yes, maybe Warhammer is better suited without you playing it.
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    Post by Keeper Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:25 am

    I'm a wow player myself, have not even tried Warhammer online. Don't really have much intention to do so either, not because I don't believe the game can be better or as good. Rather I have spent so much time, on my priest and have made so many friends online in wow I don't have the heart to leave it. I do like Warcrafts lore more then Warhammers, but none the less do enjoy Warhammers a little.

    I used to play the table top game, I was Empire, my cousin Britonian, and my brother like dwarfs until dogs of war came out.

    MMO's are a big time commitment, and are very social in their core. I find it hard that I will ever leave wow for another MMO unless my friends decide to do so as well.
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    Post by Elge Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:43 am

    Keeper wrote:I'm a wow player myself, have not even tried Warhammer online. Don't really have much intention to do so either, not because I don't believe the game can be better or as good. Rather I have spent so much time, on my priest and have made so many friends online in wow I don't have the heart to leave it.

    How much time have you spent in the game? Because me, personally, I spent 3 years on the game, was in an end-game raiding guild. And then realized, "this is the same thing. All. The. Time."

    I couldn't have been more happy to leave all of that behind. Friends I made or not. The game did not appeal to me anymore. Not after doing it all many times. And when the point came that I found raiding more of a chore than a hobby, that's when I realized, at the end-game, WoW is no longer a means of entertainment. It's a job.

    And ANYONE who denies this clearly does not know a damn thing about WoW's end-game.
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    Post by Keeper Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:17 am

    Elge wrote:
    How much time have you spent in the game? Because me, personally, I spent 3 years on the game, was in an end-game raiding guild. And then realized, "this is the same thing. All. The. Time."

    I couldn't have been more happy to leave all of that behind. Friends I made or not. The game did not appeal to me anymore. Not after doing it all many times. And when the point came that I found raiding more of a chore than a hobby, that's when I realized, at the end-game, WoW is no longer a means of entertainment. It's a job.

    And ANYONE who denies this clearly does not know a damn thing about WoW's end-game.

    I've been playing since release, so it's been about... a little over 4 years. I played in a hard core raiding guild until AQ in classic, and realized quickly that it would be repetitive. I'm a far more casual player now, and have been since TBC released. I play only a few hours a week now, and I find the game is far more enjoyable when you don't take part in the endless grind and social drama of a hardcore raiding guild.

    If I'm going to spend hours upon hours playing a game it better be one I can fully enjoy on my own. Such as is the case with the Diablo fanchise, most console rpgs, and strategy games. There is nothing I hate more then waiting for people before we can get things started, which is what you do a lot of in WoW's endgame.

    That said I do enjoy wow the way I play now, because it is so "accessible." Not only that but there is so much story in the game and a lot of areas to explore which are the primary reasons I play such games. Although I do tinker with pvp and raid when people need me and happen to have time.

    As for it being the same thing all the time, what do you mean? Blizzard has made some vary challenging events in the game, and while they do reuse many of the events it is not so bad that your are tank and spanking every encounter. Further if you think it is repetitive because, it is always win the event get the loot. Perhaps you should reconsider video gaming in general. After all games I have encountered reward you for your efforts especially RPGS.

    Warcraft PvP is not nearly as predictable as it's Pve counterpart. Sure if you have a bunch of idiots on your team it will be all about the classes and the gear. However when you have a game as populated as wow, you are bound to find such players. That does not mean a skilled player will not be able to turn the tables on you despite any handicaps.

    Further, you sound as if you are some kind of anti fanatic of Warcraft. IF you don't like the game that is perfectly fine, however the players of Warcraft obviously chose Warcraft over Warhammer. Whether it be it's accessibility, lore, art, community, or even it's ease of play and grind they chose to pay for it and play it.

    I choose to play Warcraft because I enjoy it overall, warhammer doesn't appeal to much, just like Grandtheft auto doesn't appeal to me, or Rap. I have my taste you have yours.
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    Post by Dead_Inside Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:31 pm

    Elge wrote:I guess that's where the problem lies, then. Accepting anything Blizzard force-feeds its player base without asking questions, content with rehashed content after rehashed content, with new flavors of the same recipe every time.

    WoW is as basic as an MMO can get. It just has that one thing that attracts 10 million plus subscribers to it - accessibility. The casual player enjoys WoW and will defend it to the death based on either a bandwagon consensus, or simply because it's probably the first MMO they've played.

    When anything comes along and attempts to be different, it's neglected and/or called a "WoW clone," simply because it was made after WoW, and again without any proper knowledge about both games or anything else.

    Warhammer is a very PVP-centric game. The entire concept was built around Mythic's creation known as "Realm versus Realm," which they pioneered in Dark Age of Camelot long before WoW was thought of. Warhammer, if anything, copies more from Camelot than it does from WoW. If you had play the game you could easily see that, and you'd never have said it looked like WoW.

    But, despite it focusing mostly on PVP, it has PLENTY (see: just as much) PVE (player versus ENVIRONMENT) content in the game. Normal, average quests; PVE dungeons; the same boring grind that WoW is famous for; and the ingenious, unique addition of Public Quests.

    So I find it extremely hard for ANYONE to say that Warhammer does not have enough of this or that because it has enough of it all. There is no justification in unwillingly preferring one game over the other SIMPLY because you played it first. That's such a cop-out. If that's the type of attitude with which you approach all games, then yes, maybe Warhammer is better suited without you playing it.
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    Wow is not basic MMO, great dueling and unique. Get over it.BTW I DONT LIKE PVP

    THAT IS ANOTHER REASON
    I WILL NEVER EVER LIKE WARHAMMER
    IT IS CENTERED AROUND PVP WHICH MAKES IT HORRIBLE TO ME BECAUSE I HATE PVP. WoW isnt, unless your in arena really. Which is why its great for PVE. While all i hear about warhammer is "The PVE sucks but the PVP is great"
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    Post by Elge Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:51 pm

    Zeon-Darksol wrote:
    First MMO'S
    HellGate London
    Guild Wars

    Then came WoW
    Then came city of heroes/villians.

    I hope you're talking about which ones you played first, because if you're implying that Hellgate London and Guild Wars were released before WoW...lol this conversation ends right now.
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    Post by Dead_Inside Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:09 pm

    Elge wrote:
    Zeon-Darksol wrote:
    First MMO'S
    HellGate London
    Guild Wars

    Then came WoW
    Then came city of heroes/villians.

    I hope you're talking about which ones you played first, because if you're implying that Hellgate London and Guild Wars were released before WoW...lol this conversation ends right now.
    Im not. Im telling you the ones i played first.

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